In episode eight of the mental well-balling podcast Kyle Andrews interviews Matt Baker about his roles as Charlton club chaplain and as National Director of Sports Chaplaincy UK .

Matt explains how he became involved at Charlton and how the chaplaincy movement is growing in all sports all over the UK from the elite to the grass roots.

"Chaplain can be a lonely role. I'm really fortunate that Charlton have engaged with it but there are some clubs that engage with it less"

"It was Gary Speed's death that made us in football think about mental health more seriously"

"You don't have to be a therapist to have a therapeutic conversation"

"We are pastorally proactive and spiritually reactive"

"Pre-match prayers are always available for the players"